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US Canada Relations case study

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US Canada Relations case study

[Room 1425 10am- 12pm]


"Getting attention of Big Brothers"



Intro by Jack Austin


  • Canada's the most important relations - US/Canada
  • our foreign policy concern
  • Canada/US relation "getting attention of Big Brothers"
    •      keep a very low profile with US
  • Mexico/US relations
    •      very high profile in the US
  • question: attention for what reason? why do we want the attention?



Alexander Moens

  • US/Canada boarder becoming checkpoint - enormously unpleasant ; avaerage cost 20 millions
  • traditionally, our best approach, not to be visible, but that changed  - we have to be visible
    • 9/11 - security
      • security is right between us
      • secuirty is a key issue to the US
  • what can we do to make it to genuine boarder; how can we make it as a single economic space
  • reaching similar outcomes by different means
  • US congress - immune to supernationalism
    • national governemnt
    • does not delegate any soverignty
  • approach with business model up
  • Canada  
    • since 9/11, Americans moved to security-nationalism
    • we tried to catch up like them
    • built 19century nation borders (US)
    • now entering American economic nationalism 
      • protectionism,
    • enormous risk of significant mobility loss, prosperity loss, foriegn policy loss
  • need harmonized security criteria on immigrants/refugees
  • need to do better job on security check
  • need to build economic relationship other than NAFTA agreement
    • think about "Canada/US product standard, regulatory area"
      • mutural product standards



Brenda Swick

  • Canada is the US's largest energy supplier, export market
    • energy - oil, gas
    • secure supplier of energy to the US
  • protect digital industry
  • Canada does not have a power to cease/detain goods (counterfeit goods)
    • needs border enforcement system
  • 90% of the report of the US is about China
  • attract bad attention from the US?
  • US - local economic business interests
    • have impact on their local level industries would get his attention
      • want them to take notice the value of Canada in the North American market
      • export sale/development of energy
  • recommendation: Canada ought to explore with other jurisdiction to diversify of provision of energy and the export market



- what can be done with US political system 



Peter Leitch

  • 25yrs of BC - location of film/tv industry
    • policies to maintain that BC is cultural industry
    • recent years, significant BC's economy and Canada's
  • 80% is US based
    • but not enough recognition
  • potential leader of digital enertainment/industry
    • developing facilities
  • we should loosen Canadian content laws
    • sliding scales
  • review Canadian content laws(eliminate)
  • culture will develop itself



James Dean 

  • American systems - more risk taking and enterpreneurial 
  • US fianancial system  - volatile
  • TD bought commerce bank - 1100 retail outlets in the US
  • our presence on Wall Street is very important
    • Royal Bank (full-paid ad)
  • world economic forum
    • last October(2008)
    • in terms of health, service, survival measured by sounded banking(stock) Canada was number 1
  • corporate culture
  • ogopoly - our big banks have 80% of the market share 
    • well capitalized
  • Toronto 300,000 employees in finance industry
  • global financial index - Toronto # 12
  • Canada has cross-country network
    • stable deposit network
    • well supervised firewall
  • we have better reuglatory system in balance
  • push Canada as major financial area 





Four Big Points:



- harmonize the border (economic/security space) 

-  use energy as leverage 

- let us reduce competitive distinction so we can build stronger sectoral industry

-take control of banking system (Wall Street)





- drift in the relationship (recoverable?) 

     1. shift in power (political/economic power) - politician tend to look to the South

     2. demographic (Canada- euro-asian society) (US - euro-latino society)

     3. security (since 9/11) - thicking the US border, huge decline the US citizens/residents to Canada

                    tourism, eocnomic decline

- can be a lot harmonization that we can do

- want the US attention? why? 

- any big ideas to turn the relationship into different way

- should be measuring what we can do internationally


Swick - regulations: ex) container sizes

  • Canada has regulations;
    • process products, have to sell in designated containers.
  • in the US, huge range of container sizes
  • cosumers do not get diverse choices

          - energy

  • let's not be a captive market/supplier
  • explore diversity/alternative market




- water : not eager to send/export water to the south 


Moens - think about water at home, potential commodity

  • real system of property rights on water before we send water away
  • sustainable coherent water rights (inculding property) before we think about tradable water




- role of some national relations in Canada and the US


Dean - border thicken because of the interest; can't negotiate properly between two nations

  • regulations,
  • we have NAFTA we do not have common tariff
  • why do we need border securities?
    • turns everyone as smugglers



- how important Canadian soverignty ,  how different are we from the US

  • relationship is there
  • Canada/US; both federal states
  • US-Canada - federal states relating
    • variety jurisdictions
  • sub-national relations
  • 1984 treaty - sub-national agreement between BC/Seattle
  • problem - we know too much, but understand less
    • bilingual, bicultural (American-Canadian)
    • the degree of understanding/fluency of other countries' ways are not what we think it is
  • encourage/develop flow of information



- Canada using closeness to the US; do we have leverage for the US? 




- North American cultural system Culture - being able to tell our own stories

  • border being tight, difficult to travel to the US
  • Canada relying on foriegn business - can be interrupted by politics/ dollar fluctuation


Dean - since NAFTA, our culture has been more distinct

  • we are euro-asian
  • we are economically powerful
  • the border is more open than 30yrs ago, 
  • closeness to US and other countries in the world strengthened our identity 
  • we should be exporting our culture


Moen - self-confidence as a Canadian

  • unless we have this confidence, should come up with a big helpful plan if we want the US's attention
  • when we have the US president on our side, we can have an impact 
  • agreement, where the US would teach about Canada during social studies class and vice versa
    • so they have an idea of neighbouring countries


Leitch - no barriers to deisgn programs

  • digital entertainment centre
    • educational systems to attract the best of international students
  • develop groups of talent students (cutlurally)
    • educate business skills
  • need to develop path ways
  • open to immigration
    • Microsoft in Canada because they could not get talents in the US



- teaching US/Canada studies - good idea

- having influence on US policy 

  • Tony Blair - George Bush

- Canadian values

  • perception of Canadians in the US
  • Candians  = foreigners
  • demonization of Canada by the right wing(US) 



- how do we get Canada political mandate to harmonize?


Swick - Canada lost momentum to China

  • needs to have leadership


Moen - more free trade, more choices for consumer





Summary by Austin 

  • how confident Canada is about our future?
  • strong economy coming around after Second World War
  • strong trade relationship with the US
  • are we confident about our soverignty
    • in this era of globalization (we lost dominance in relationship with US)
    • dependent on natural resources
    • are we good traders in environmental technologies?
  • one-hand tied, such as certain agricultural regulations
  • Indian and China
    • have backed-away, and now we are trying to gain the position again
  • by renewing with the US, by doing things closer to US wanted from us, what do we get?
  • is there a one big idea that will make difference to US-Canada relationship?
  • failure of university system to teach US history/politics 



Summary by Dean

  • banks: we have competitive advantage
  • Austria - colonized eastern europe with their bank



Summary by Leitch

  • strategic partnership in certain sectors
  • keep working in building these relationships



Summary by Swick

  • find a way to engage them understand that we are value-added in North American market
  • engage in diversification in export market
    • energy goods



end of session


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